Future Peking University People Community – Webmaster’s Workshop – Strongly Requesting (well, let’s say suggesting instead)
Shujian Piaoling
Strongly suggest:
Could you please leave up those articles that take Peking University to task? Why can’t I find a single one? “Listening to all sides makes one wise”!!!
2005-8-11 08:41 PM
Flying Dolphin
But that’s too extreme, ah
2005-8-11 09:45 PM
Gu Cha
“Listening to all sides makes one wise” is certainly right, but you also have to distinguish among places, occasions, and situations. Some articles may indeed contain a little bit of truth, but behind that little bit of truth there are also many distortions. Of course, “listening to all sides makes one wise” is correct; when you hear criticism that stings, you should distinguish the distortions from the truth, and do what is said in “correct it if there is any, encourage yourself if there is none.” But what sort of occasion is this? This is not an appropriate place for pointing out Peking University’s faults and offering suggestions. It is good if you want to sting it, good if you want to criticize it, but you should pay attention to the effect. I believe you are a broad-minded person, and that you would modestly accept other people’s criticism even if it were mixed with distortions and misunderstandings; Peking University would too. But I think that even the most clear-conscienced person would not welcome people speaking ill behind their back. It is not that Peking University can’t take criticism or that it cannot bear to be seen by others, but this is an admissions forum. When you “sting” Peking University here, the target is not Peking University, but the broad mass of “future Peking University people” who do not understand the situation. Posting articles here that “sting” Peking University—isn’t that a bit like me speaking ill of you behind your back to people who admire you or like you? Even if you can explain yourself afterward, it still feels very passive, doesn’t it?
2005-8-11 09:45 PM
Gu Cha
One more thing: posts whose original intent in publishing articles that “sting” Peking University is not to criticize Peking University but to expose its shortcomings, smear it, and thereby affect Peking University’s admissions work are outside the scope of our discussion; delete them without any further discussion~
2005-8-11 09:59 PM
Flying Dolphin
What the moderator says is more persuasive after all
2005-8-11 10:11 PM
Minus Four Degrees
Several of my posts were deleted, but those were only my personal opinions, and they were absolutely not extreme; I absolutely respect Peking University very much
2005-8-11 10:13 PM
K.G
This is an admissions forum. Obviously it is not a place for expressing personal opinions.
2005-8-11 10:24 PM
Shujian Piaoling
But I think at least I can withstand it; those things are far inferior to the leaflets of Falun Gong.
By the way, let me ask: where should I go if I want to read those pointed articles?
Hey, you won’t even delete this one too, will you?
2005-8-12 01:15 PM
K.G
Most articles of this sort contain an extreme or distorted understanding of Peking University; I hope students won’t be affected. Don’t be misled by such remarks.
2005-8-12 02:26 PM
飞翔的海豚
Personal opinions are sometimes not mature. Too many people following up in the comments can easily cause misleading impressions
2005-8-12 02:48 PM
书剑飘零
Fair enough
2005-8-12 03:26 PM
jackjordan_0
You must pay attention to the direction of public opinion
It’s possible that your original intention was good
but the effect is very bad
2005-8-12 07:57 PM
飞翔的海豚
It’s true—don’t be self-righteous
2005-8-13 11:12 AM
书剑飘零
“Don’t be self-righteous, really.” I understand that, but what do you mean by that sentence? I don’t get it!
2005-8-13 02:48 PM
cotine
It means you yourself shouldn’t easily believe these things are real.
2005-8-13 04:30 PM
书剑飘零
2005-8-13 04:40 PM
tong100137
It means you yourself shouldn’t easily believe these things are real.
But you also can’t reject them wholesale
2005-8-13 05:46 PM
cotine
Believe it or not, that’s up to each person. Just like believing in God.
2005-8-13 07:20 PM
Gu Chu
You need to understand: when we delete a post, we are not looking at whether the post is “true,” and deleting a post does not mean we reject its content wholesale. What is involved here is not whether the speaker is sincere enough; what matters more critically is whether the “audience” has sufficient discernment. Think about why some things need to be restricted for minors under 18. Why must minors be kept away when discussing certain topics? — It is absolutely not because those things are false, distorted, or insincere. The problem lies in the audience’s capacity to receive and distinguish. In this setting, we must pay attention to the fact that the audience for what we post are children who still lack understanding of many things and are easily misled, so some topics are inappropriate, even if your original intention in posting was sincere. That is the reason for deleting posts.
2005-8-14 01:07 PM
pupasky
As expected of a philosophy department~ bow~~ applause……
2005-8-14 01:53 PM
tong100137
So in order to protect susceptible groups, we should put them in a sealed container?
2005-8-15 11:18 PM
Gu Chu
Why say “a sealed container”? Why must being not fully open mean being completely closed? Why always put it in such absolute terms? Of course one cannot be completely sealed; of course one cannot be completely open, completely laissez-faire. Why, whenever there is proper guidance and regulation, must it be described as “wholesale negation” or “a sealed container” and the like? Different settings and different contexts should have different degrees of openness and freedom. There is no place where one can be completely free, and there is no place that is absolutely sealed. What we need to do is understand the responsibility we ourselves — if we are the more mature and more capable of discernment — ought to shoulder. We must be responsible for our own speech — not only responsible for whether it is sincere, but also responsible for the effects it produces. The responsibility is even greater for forum administrators.
For children, many topics are inconvenient to discuss. That does not mean these topics cannot be discussed, nor does it mean children are forever shut out. There are more suitable occasions for discussing these topics. Once children’s minds and powers of discernment have matured enough to enter these circles, they will naturally be able to obtain sufficient rights to know and to speak. How to create a proper atmosphere, how to arrange different circles and different settings in a reasonable and orderly way without isolating and sealing them off, yet also without letting things become chaotic and unrestrained — this is precisely what tests the responsibility of mature people. For example, adults should put medicines up high where children cannot reach them, or lock them in a cabinet; for example, many emergency buttons have to be encased in glass so that one must break the glass to reach them when necessary; appropriate “closure” is needed. Do not distort the meaning of freedom and democracy. Do not think that once freedom is mentioned, even the slightest bit of “closure” becomes intolerable. Do not look down on proper guidance and regulation; these are all necessary for a healthy society. Only when a society first becomes self-conscious, becomes orderly, and each person can consciously shoulder their own responsibility and place themselves properly, does it have the capital to build democracy and pursue freedom. If people cannot consciously maintain order and cannot consciously keep proper measure, then freedom and democracy are all empty talk.
2005-8-16 12:05 AM
Omega001
We should pick out from all that complexity that mere 1% — what ought to be said and what is appropriate to say. Only when everyone can think of others when speaking will this forum keep getting better 🙂
2005-8-16 01:06 PM
Luoying Binfen
We all hope this forum will get better and better!
2005-8-16 01:22 PM
Omega001
Then, in the last days when we are still future Peking University people, we hope to do some meaningful things for Peking University. Only then can we walk with our heads held high into this beautiful hall
2005-11-10 16:57:21 [reply]
What I want to say is, is there now in the world a miracle drug for treating hepatitis B? If not, then how is it that there are so many radio broadcasts promoting miracle drugs for hepatitis B? It is precisely those advertisements that, I don’t know how many people they have driven to ruin in order to buy their medicine. Shouldn’t the government do something about it? They are indirectly harming those patients. I grieve for this. Are those false advertisements lawful? I hope the relevant departments will think this through and not let those patients be made even worse off.
Gu Di: Isn’t this exactly what I was trying to say? What I want to say is precisely that we should restrict “irresponsible public-opinion discourse.” Which official propaganda has ever said that there is a miracle drug for hepatitis B? Which authoritative popular-science article has ever said that there is a miracle drug for hepatitis B? On the contrary, I often hear official propaganda and authoritative popular-science media warning people not to believe in so-called miracle drugs for hepatitis B and the like, and what you call false advertising is precisely those irresponsible statements. The reality in China is that although official propaganda does indeed contain a great deal of exaggeration, its credibility is still more reliable than gossip from the folk; yet many people do not acknowledge this point, and think that since official propaganda is too false, then what circulates among ordinary people must be more credible. And so there are those victims, those who get taken in; most tragically, some people are bewildered by all sorts of messy folk消息, get cheated themselves, and still think they understand more than others. Forums, tabloid-style newsletters, advertisements, rumors, and so on—these kinds of folk messages can be listened to, but one should also not despise official and authoritative sources of information, and should not easily believe any information of unknown origin. And as the managers of a forum, it is their responsibility to do their best to prevent the forum from becoming a platform for the spread of such irresponsible information.
Translated from the Chinese original with AI assistance. The original text is authoritative.
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